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PostSubject: Adios   Fri Jun 05, 2015 4:43 pm

Goodbye, hope SSNC does well as a clan in the future.

I'm leaving of my own will.
Some members just don't seem to understand how to do justice to members that don't play the games they played. Some members act superior just because they know more core members than a certain someone. So of course, I'm not desirable for SSNC.
Nice, gg.


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PostSubject: Re: Adios   Fri Jun 05, 2015 4:59 pm

You're leaving..?

Well.. I haven't been in SSNC for a very longer time, but I know about all the effort and hard work you've done for the BeGone Crew.
Ya da best sheep <3

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PostSubject: Re: Adios   Fri Jun 05, 2015 6:58 pm

Ok, ok, ok... I gotta get this out there.

You can't have an inferiority complex and ACT superior XD.

Those plagued with an inferiority complex have an unrealistic feeling of general inadequacy. They don't act superior, they actually can't bring themselves to do so.



Superiority complex is where people unreasonably feel superior to everyone else. They often act out with anger when someone demonstrates that this belief is a delusion.





Now that that's settled. Allow me to clear up a couple of other things.


What was discussed at the meeting... word of which was passed around quite well (Even Girl's Army made an appearance!)... was that Crews were flatout excessive, and needed to be rethought.

Who has two thumbs and put THAT idea out there?



We're a multi-gaming clan. Games are meant to be fun, NOT work. Organizing people, however, is. So what we have done is created a hierarchy of people, running games... for other people. Why do we need special people dedicated to a particular game? If it's something that people want to play, and folks are playing it, GO PLAY IT WITH THEM!

That said, if someone takes it upon themselves, and they want to make a section of the forum dedicated to all things about that game (Similar to what Mef is doing with CW) then go do that! Maybe people are curious about the game, they can waltz over to your section of the forum and read about it. You decide your own level of involvement.

About Core members...

It's not, and never was meant to be, one of these...



...but rather one of these...



Core is meant for people who care about the community and actively contribute in some way. They attempt to make SSNC a better place, and want to belong to something greater than themselves. It was meant to separate those that wanted a casual place to park their asses from those who would rather BUST that ass in an attempt to improve something that was more than a sum of its parts.

Simply having a request to join be accepted isn't the bottom line. That gets you in the door, but we have our eye on you. If you do a few circles around the lobby, maybe kick our tires, we don't fault you if you decide not to stay. Like Unspoken said, this used to be something that people worked for. Now we're damn near taking all comers. Doubly so, being as how everyone wants to throw in the towel the second something doesn't go their way.



DRY

IT

UP


I hate that you think Unspoken spilled your damn Cheerios, but the reality is that we need to take a look at how things are going across the damn board. He's not the villain this time. I had a lot to do with this, too. So before you go, go ahead and take your shots at me, too.


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PostSubject: Re: Adios   Fri Jun 05, 2015 7:22 pm

First of all, I don't understand why is BeGone seen as a shitty, undesirable, pathetic, could be sold on eBay for $1.99 kind of game.

Everything wrong happening with SSNC is either blamed on the game or on the freaking use of Raidcall by of course, the BeGone crew members.

You said that if someone is playing the game, some others could go and play with them. Well, I am not sure whether you had seen my post on 'New RC Channel' but I explicitly stated that Raidcall was being used so that we could contact other members to play. It's not always fun killing off nubs, now is it? Raidcall acted as a VoIP for us so that we could have a good game.

I'm not against the idea of having a new game, but would it really work? Well forum activity is obviously lower than dolby activity I guess and I don't know why. There were games like Hazard Ops and ZMR which restricted IPs from Asia cuz apparently "there are many hackers from this region" like lol. And then what happened? I started playing CW, but well apparently everyone moved on from that too. I just played like a loner again (had a game with Grover cuz he was in Raidcall) cuz y'all were playing either BLR or ZMR.

Unfortunately, I'm still a student unlike some of you who may have some amazing rigs (since I don't currently get money to do that stuff)  hence I can't play some games which are too demanding on graphics.

I don't know why recruiting stopped from other games. What if you thought, there was this certain guy who would have made a really good Core member? Now I can't tell him, oh yeah, you should play DirtyBombs/some other SSNC focused game bruh.

Coming to Unspoken, he has acted like a/an [insert word here]. He has to do this to any clan he has been in. He has been blaming BeGone, BeGone crew, Raidcall and what not. It's not my fault I don't live in the US of America for gods sake! I have my own timezone. I don't see any of you online at 4 am in the night on Dolby at your CST , PT , ET or  whatever time it is. Why was he giving me the crap that I know mike better than you do even though you have been longer. I'm sorry, I'm really sorry, yes he may know him better than I do! But, what do I do? I'm bound by my own studies, timezone and playing time. I'm just pissed off how people think that just because you know someone better, you've become a better member. People just tend to ignore what someone has done for their clan, especially those people who don't give ten pieces of shit for the game they used to play/have never played.

To be honest, earlier I thought SSNC did follow the ideals of Clan.FAMILY.ONE now it seems more like some american tv show : genre : comedy/drama. I'm disappointed how shit isn't given to people who may not come on dolby often or who go on Raidcall to play with some other people who play the same game. We are not North Korea for gods sake. Let us have fun lol instead of COMMANDING us to do things. You think I want SSNC to self-destruct? The reason why BeGone crew was started in the first place was to freaking bring SSNC back into existence from its dormancy and I'm happy that we accomplished that. You say every member invited becomes a SSNC crew member? The only ones which are even invited are those who are suitable. If you want I could show you my NPlay inbox and then you'll see the number of SSNC requests which people send.

I guess some Core members might be thinking about me like, yeah we should've never recruited this guy or this jerk should have just left earlier, probably then there would've been no fuss over BeGone crew because it would have never existed in the first place..


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PostSubject: Re: Adios   Fri Jun 05, 2015 7:38 pm

I'm dissapointed that you seem to feel that your feelings to a particular member reflect how you feel toward all of SSNC. However, how you feel is how you feel.

I hope you find a place that you can relate to better. Best of luck.
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PostSubject: Re: Adios   Fri Jun 05, 2015 7:40 pm

I'm disappointed to see that the other Core members have taken sides with that particular member instead of being supportive or constructive. Not something I had expected 2 years ago. Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Adios   Fri Jun 05, 2015 7:49 pm

To be honest, your whole exchange with Unspoken, Radly too, looked like you guys were just pissed the hell off and slinging whatever at each other that came to mind. I see where you guys were trying to make points, and I also see where those points were being brushed aside because no one wants to be presented with a fact when they're pissed off and trying to win a screaming match.

Begone is a browser game. It's not made to compete with high-end games, it just wasn't. Just like Contract Wars, and many other browser based games.

Now, don't get me wrong, I'm not here to bash on Begone. I understand there are still those of us that either enjoy playing it, or... that's all their rigs will run. No one is blaming them for that.

When I first heard that Unspoken had talked to Recoil about making SSNC a "one game" kind of clan, I was livid. I was gaming with Bullet at the time, and he mentioned it off-hand. I had to back him up, "he wants to do WHAT!?".

It's just NOT a good idea. It alienates too many people. That said, those of us with an interest in doing so CAN be more competitive in a game that has more spotlight on it in the gaming community.

For example... Halo was SUPER popular for a while. What if, back then, we as a clan got to competition-level skill at Halo? Woulda been cool, right? Would have, at the very least, brought a lot of attention to the clan, yeah?

No one has really heard of Begone, Shep. Sure, it's fun, but it doesn't bring as much acclaim to the clan as some of these other games that have a following. I can understand why he would WANT to make the clan a "one game" community, but that doesn't make it a good idea.

So at the meeting, I came in late (not all of us in 'murica are savvy about time zones, yeah? Wink ) and asked someone to catch me up. They did, and then Unspoken says he wants to put me sort of on the spot and see what *I* thought about all of it.

O.O

"Me? On the spot you say? Well, shit... here goes..."

I let them have it, it wasn't a good idea at ALL... it would piss off a lot of folks in the clan to just say "fuck everything else we're doing we're going to focus on X GAME". I feel for those of us who don't have time to be competitive, or don't have rigs that would allow it. We're a MULTI gaming clan, that's what I signed up for, that's what ALL of us signed up for.

Now... that being said... we could use some more focus up in here. Currently, everyone is playing whatever game that pops up in their neck of the woods. We're all over the board. Everyone in the clan has their own game that they're playing.

Warbrand - ESO, Defiance
Bullet - Defiance, Dirty Bomb
Gunr - Work Myself Into An Early Grave 2
Junior - Battlefield 4
Radly - Might and Magic Heroes Online
TheBishops (Before he left) - Combat Company

I mean, ya see my point?

At some point, we gotta reign it back in here.

When I proposed that we compromise on the "focus" aspect, Gunr recommended that we have like "a high-end game, a mid-end game, and a low-end game".

Sounds great, right? Now you tell me, what is a high-end game? Hmm? Can you tell me? Something that only Bullet's truck engine of a PC can run? XD

Idk what a high-end game is... I dont even know what the damn specs mean on the damn games. "System Requirements? WTF!? If I load it, and it doesn't play... I don't play it!"

I feel for those of us that have rigs that wont run these high-end games, I really do. I was actually thinking just tonight that I need to come up with a forum topic that is like a list of games that are awesome, that will run on literally any machine. Just something cool for those of us that are looking for something to do that their machines are capable of handling.

Recruiting didn't stop from other games, Shep... our method of bringing them into SSNC was flawed and slow. Back when I ran a clan in Blacklight Retribution, I basically drove that clan straight into the gates of SSNC. There were many casualties... and the gates did not open. I STILL have the scar from the crash.



Lucky for me that it looks kind of badass, right?

Anyway, that issue is being addressed as well. If we're going to be recruiting, the process needs to become as smooth as possible. Nothing discourages like doing the work it takes, to get someone ELSE to do the work of coming to the site, only to do more work trying to find ANOTHER someone else to do the work it takes to actually bring the person you got to do the work of coming to the forum and sign up and get that person to sign them in...

Whew.

Unspoken... and I have knocked heads a few times, it's true. Thing is though, he's just trying to help the best way that he can. He, for all of his efforts, just isn't a people-person. That's not a slight on him, we all have different abilities, and sometimes the way his brain processes things just rubs people the wrong way. His intentions are good, but somewhere the message just gets lost along the way. Can you really bring yourself to hate on a guy that is honestly trying to make this place better?


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PostSubject: Re: Adios   Fri Jun 05, 2015 7:59 pm

Well, I think I'll just let all the ego vent out for a while. I was just disappointed thinking why I was being seen as someone who has no intentions or no aim whatsoever to benefit the clan, someone who doesn't give a shit about his clan mates,... yes, my rating on communication with other core members is low, but in my own little way through the crew, I tried to achieve something together along with others for SSNC. I don't want my lack of communication or lack of knowing someone else more than the other person be seen as a trait which is frowned upon.

I just don't want this new change.. this new gaming plan.. to take SSNC to the gallows.

PS: I have removed the thread about SSNC I had made on NPlay Forums in accordance with the ongoing plans for SSNC in the future.
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PostSubject: Re: Adios   Fri Jun 05, 2015 8:09 pm

You're not wrong for that. You and Unspoken actually want the same thing... to have SSNC NOT die.

How much communication you've had with who should not have been brought into account. What matters is the heart, the fact that you WANT to do all that you CAN do, regardless of how much it is.

If your contribution is managing the Begone crew, then so be it. If my contribution is random, stupid, massive walls of text, then that's what *I* do. XD

Look, Shep, you've been around for years. You wouldn't have done that if you didn't care about this clan and the people in it. Don't sweat the small stuff, man. So the seas got a little choppy, whatever... we'll be fine if we all do what we can where we can.

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PostSubject: Re: Adios   Fri Jun 05, 2015 8:19 pm

I'm sorry. I wanted to leave as I felt that if I stayed any longer I would just keep ranting about some comments made on my dedication to SSNC and hence breaking the decorum we have in SSNC.

I think what I did was really stupid with relation to what I want for the clan. So, yes, my humble apologies. I should have just simply PM'd Unspoken. I really don't want to disrupt how SSNC was, is and will be.

But, please! I don't have such a good rig at the moment (I use my Dell laptop) so I may not be able to run some games but I will surely do whatever I can with whatever I have. Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Adios   Sat Jun 06, 2015 1:09 am

Shepard97 wrote:
I'm disappointed to see that the other Core members have taken sides with that particular member instead of being supportive or constructive. Not something I had expected 2 years ago. Smile

What the hell is up with everyone thinking there is sides! Who put that illogical piece of non-sense in your brain? There are no sides. May I repeat myself, There are no sides. Do you think the only reason I think "Begone Crew should be disabled and most members put in the core" is because Uns is leading the charge. Hell No. If I was taking sides due to a particular member then I would be Supporting you, Shep.

Because of Shepard, I am here. I just want y'all to know that.
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PostSubject: Re: Adios   Sat Jun 06, 2015 4:35 am

I agree with Greek.
Shep brought me here too. :-)
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PostSubject: Re: Adios   Sat Jun 06, 2015 9:07 am

Super glad that this is being talked out. I am also super glad that it is being listened out.

If ever you needed proof of SSNC's resilience, this is it.
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PostSubject: Re: Adios   Sat Jun 06, 2015 12:53 pm

Omg Sheep! c:
PS: Damn long essays. took me 30mins to read all the comments.
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PostSubject: Re: Adios   Sat Jun 06, 2015 1:02 pm

Well here's my say in this. I mostly agree with Shepard in this matter. As he said, Core members seem to be kind of running things around on how the clan should be manage. I've noticed it on the meeting we held that Saturday. One of the things I don't understand is why wasn't the meeting mentioned here on the forums? I had to remind Grover and Hider that there was a meeting on Dolby because they had no idea it even existed. I understand that we should be more active on Dolby, but don't restrict certain members from the meeting just because they don't go on Dolby. As I was saying about Shepard, I do feel like the core members handle the situations in their own way. If I remember correctly, Recoil said that he wanted NO participation whatsoever with begone. He didn't want us playing the game, he didn't want us using the SSNC tag in game, and he also said he didn't want us coming on RC anymore. That sounds like a dictatorship, more than a democracy. There's 1 core member who I really like because he actually listens to opinions and he sees the changes that people try to do at least. That's Xeur. He's also a begone player. After the meeting, We were discussing what was said and we both found it was kind of BS on how we should stop associating with begone. I have no idea if you guys have noticed or even cared, but I've been trying to get the clan more active and enjoy themselves as one. That's the whole reason I even made my "New RC channel" post. I saw how some members came
online on RC, and had their fun playing with other clans and all that but then I thought to myself "why don't we have a channel?" and that's why i made the post. It wasn't to argue or start a flame war, it was just stating opinion. I got the clan doing clan wars that we haven't done in forever, and also communicating with other members. It was lots of fun and I'm sure everyone on RC enjoyed themselves.


I myself am a steam player, and i play tons of games there with lots of buddies that I have. I will love to invite them to the forums and introduce them to you guys, but they would not like the idea of SSNC being a 1 game clan. They love their share of games as much as we do.


This is just something of my say in it, I'm sorry if it made no sense, I tried. I'm only 15 and English wasn't my first language, so yeah.
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PostSubject: Re: Adios   Sat Jun 06, 2015 8:29 pm

I could really see the rise in activity when you popped up with the clan wars and stuff.
From what I know, Recoil meant this:-
1)Try playing games that a majority of the core players play.It's not as if you aren't allowed to have your likes and dislikes but just the fact that being as a one game integrated clan would be great.
Let me throw a little light on what Warbrand said earlier, kind of statement that got my agreement, somewhat like this- Imagine SSNC, the WHOLE SSNC established on a reputed game like HALO and the WHOLE of SSNC playing together as one unit. Remember 300? Think SSNC like that. All of us thriving on each other's teamwork and working out ways to make our way to the top of our game. A clan with 150+ dedicated members playing a game. We all got different timezones ,so literally the clan would never stop getting score anytime. Just think.. SSNC, on the top of a global game. Won't it give the clan a respected place in the global gaming community, wouldn't you be proud of it.. I am sure I will be. Everytime you come online, you see your clan beating 300k + clans and having a "Hell Yeah" activity.
Although the clan worked out great in the case of CW but the fact remained that position in top 50 was gained by around 30-40 active members. If the whole of 150 members would have been in,then ofcourse SSNC would have remained on the top of the leaderboard. This is just an example.
2)Don't use the SSNC Tag isn't as if you don't have to use it. It's kind of a sign that our activity would be unsure. I agree wearing the tag is our honor as well as duty but the fact remains that very few people play Begone ,including me. Recoil was not wrong on telling us to stop playing Begone all day long and try out games the majority of the clan is attached to.
3)Prohibition of the use of RC is a major, and I agree, a right step to make the clan more closely attached unit. I also like RC cause more of BG stuff lies there but BG is not the only FACE OF SSNC. It's just a game, and this is a FAMILY.
Getting the whole clan together has been the main aim of Unsp lately, although he seems harsh but his steps are all valuable.



Now you all should know that the Core values everyone's opinions. There's no dictatorship,just democracy. The Fact that you are able to oppose the heads of this battle unit signifies Democracy itself.
As I said earlier, Losing out on patience and trust would lead to disintegration of this Clan. I made mistakes and I have learned from them.
This clan has been a well-nit unity and no matter what happens, it will be the best clan ever. That's all I know. I don't know who will leave this clan but I know one thing for sure, that I am never going to leave this clan. This clan has taught me a lot, and this is the best Clan Ever.

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PostSubject: Re: Adios   Sun Jun 07, 2015 5:41 am

Kelvin11 wrote:
Well here's my say in this. I mostly agree with Shepard in this matter. As he said, Core members seem to be kind of running things around on how the clan should be manage. I've noticed it on the meeting we held that Saturday. One of the things I don't understand is why wasn't the meeting mentioned here on the forums? I had to remind Grover and Hider that there was a meeting on Dolby because they had no idea it even existed. I understand that we should be more active on Dolby, but don't restrict certain members from the meeting just because they don't go on Dolby. As I was saying about Shepard, I do feel like the core members handle the situations in their own way. If I remember correctly, Recoil said that he wanted NO participation whatsoever with begone. He didn't want us playing the game, he didn't want us using the SSNC tag in game, and he also said he didn't want us coming on RC anymore. That sounds like a dictatorship, more than a democracy. There's 1 core member who I really like because he actually listens to opinions and he sees the changes that people try to do at least. That's Xeur. He's also a begone player. After the meeting, We were discussing what was said and we both found it was kind of BS on how we should stop associating with begone. I have no idea if you guys have noticed or even cared, but I've been trying to get the clan more active and enjoy themselves as one. That's the whole reason I even made my "New RC channel" post. I saw how some members came
online on RC, and had their fun playing with other clans and all that but then I thought to myself "why don't we have a channel?" and that's why i made the post. It wasn't to argue or start a flame war, it was just stating opinion. I got the clan doing clan wars that we haven't done in forever, and also communicating with other members. It was lots of fun and I'm sure everyone on RC enjoyed themselves.


I myself am a steam player, and i play tons of games there with lots of buddies that I have. I will love to invite them to the forums and introduce them to you guys, but they would not like the idea of SSNC being a 1 game clan. They love their share of games as much as we do.


This is just something of my say in it, I'm sorry if it made no sense, I tried. I'm only 15 and English wasn't my first language, so yeah.

Yup, i know bunch of people who chat on OUR OFFICLA FORUM (that is THIS forum) and they didnt even know a meeting existed. I understand that Dolby is SSNC`s official voice chat, but. i never saw it as reqruiment. If it is than it should be in clan rules that you must use it or gtfo.
We must discuss this out and fix it if. If we dont discuss the problems we wont get better imho.
Just sayin. Oh, and i also tried to suggest something. Smile So far one reply in 2 days. Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Adios   Sun Jun 07, 2015 9:10 am

As he said, Core members seem to be kind of running things around on how the clan should be manage.

Is that not how it should be?

Should we not have long-term members, who have proven time and again that they care enough about the clan to ensure it stays running, call the shots? Should every swinging dick that walks through our doors get to waltz around and start flipping furniture simply because they don't like the color? It takes time to learn the workings of the clan, and how to discern a "good" idea from "bad", and what would work and what would not. Far too often ideas are pushed simply because they belong to the one speaking them. Yes, it's AN idea, but is it one that pushes us truly in a direction that we need to go in? As a brand new member, how can they say for any degree of certainty that, yes, it is?

I've noticed it on the meeting we held that Saturday

Noticed what? That a meeting involving mostly Core members had all the Core members calling the shots?

You know what I noticed? I noticed plenty of instances where someone could interject. Bullet saw them, too. He was quick to pop in and say something.

One of the things I don't understand is why wasn't the meeting mentioned here on the forums?

Because it was by invitation only in order to limit the confusion. The things that were discussed could INDEED have a large impact on the clan as a whole... if one day they are implemented. No one said for 100% sure that anything was going to happen, only possible options.

Being as how you're so observant, you certainly must have noticed that we didn't take a vote on anything. That wasn't because someone "laid down the law" or anything, that's because we all realized that NO ONE present knew ANYTHING about the games being mentioned, with the exception of Junior and Battlefield 4.

I had to remind Grover and Hider that there was a meeting on Dolby because they had no idea it even existed.

IIRC, Unspoken invited people that he thought really needed to hear/consider a given set of options that he had already discussed with Recoil. It wasn't public, if it were, you're right, a post on the forum would have covered it, and Unspoken wouldn't have had to go from person to person repeating the same details.

Seems like the right call to make, because someone clearly didn't understand the nature of the meeting, and proceeded to tell everyone they knew that there was an upcoming meeting and all needed to attend. As you may have also noticed, it was only discussion, not action, that took place at the meeting. The meeting with plenty of interjection periods, where everyone sat quietly.

Honestly, I'm all for there being a select few that discuss things before they bring it to the attention of everyone. If the idea needs to be modified, implemented, or shot down... it can be done before it is presented to everyone. I for one would NOT want to go up in front of all of SSNC with an idea that had not been completely thought through...

...heaven knows there would be a backlash. *looks at all the posts concerning the meeting and its contents*

I understand that we should be more active on Dolby, but don't restrict certain members from the meeting just because they don't go on Dolby.

No one was "restricted" specifically, but I honestly don't think we truly needed every single member there either. Seems harsh, sure... but if you don't know the ins and outs of something, can you really speak about it? Hell, many of those talking about the meeting right now still don't know what they're talking about... and some of you were even there!

This was meant to be a discussion of an idea, not a call to action, and yet people are treating it like we aren't taking people's considerations into account... and we haven't even reached that point yet!

As I was saying about Shepard, I do feel like the core members handle the situations in their own way.

Yup! So does the Presidential Cabinet... what of it?

If I remember correctly, Recoil said that he wanted NO participation whatsoever with begone. He didn't want us playing the game, he didn't want us using the SSNC tag in game, and he also said he didn't want us coming on RC anymore.

Don't get me wrong, I love me some Recoil, but even I wont blindly do what the guy says. If he tells me "Warbrand, I don't want you playing that damn Elder Scrolls anymore, now, ya hear?"... pffffft! You funny, dude!

There was a lot of drama associated with Begone, and I'm sure he would like that to... well... be gone. Sadly, it's not that easy. We still have loyal players with lower end machines that simply CAN'T graduate from the game.

As for not using an SSNC tag, that's easily managed... more or less. Nothing is really stopping people from using one, save their own integrity. "Play Begone if you have to, don't use a clan tag, and don't talk shit about us to other clans"... that's more than likely closer to what he said, and he said it for a reason, with the best interests of the OVERALL CLAN at heart.

There's 1 core member who I really like because he actually listens to opinions and he sees the changes that people try to do at least. That's Xeur.

People LOVE to have their opinions heard. It's like candy to the masses. They don't necessarily give any thought to what they're saying, but they love to say it.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/blogdramedy/idiotic-travel-complaints_b_4073107.html

^ Case in point

People tend to harbor resentment when they feel their opinion is heard, but then they feel that their own course of action wasn't the one chosen by the "dictator" they work for. When people have their own pre-formed conclusions, they tend to deduce that they themselves are the brightest star in the universe, around which all other stars must orbit. The "people" must have trust in the "leader" that he/she has the best interest of the people at heart. If the leader cannot or does not foster this, then the people refuse to acknowledge their authority.

Realize, there IS a damn pecking order in place, and it was around before you showed up. Learn it, live it, love it. It is there for a reason, and the protocols we follow have their purpose, and that purpose is NOT to artificially inflate tyrannical egos, DESPITE what some may think.

After the meeting, We were discussing what was said and we both found it was kind of BS on how we should stop associating with begone.

It is. It really is. Damn good thing that wasn't the intention.

If you recall correctly, I voiced in no unclear terms that going to a single sole game and forsaking all others was a very BAD idea.

That said, it did have some merit. Currently we are all ALL over the board when it comes to games. We could use a degree of focus and centralization. No one is on Dolby NOT because of RaidCall or Teamspeak, we're not on Dolby because we are playing other games. It's purely silly to think that each and every one of us has a computer for NO other purpose than SSNC.

Right now, I have damn near a dozen different games on my desktop, and more on Steam that are calling my name. Do you think I'm not going to play those, too? Hell, just last night Bullet was playing Defiance, dropping subtle hints about how I need to come join him. Sorry, man... was playing Blacklight before I signed into Dolby, and I'm doing 32 and 3 on a damn Helodeck match. I'll join ya in a bit.

I have no idea if you guys have noticed or even cared

THIS is the sort of thing that is pissing me off about these sorts of posts. Right here.

"I have no idea... but this is what I think. I'm only 15... but I know better than the lot of you. I skimmed the posts with all the information about the clan... but this is the opinion I have on the matter."

If you don't know... then how can you say? If you admit that you don't have the experience... then where is this opinion coming from? Not the forums, you admit you "don't have time" to read them.

But suddenly you're the authority on a given matter?

Look, guys, we DO want to hear your opinions, no one is "oppressing" you. We just want to see a thought out objection, that is respectfully illustrated, as opposed to just raging on the forum. Yes, raging. This is why people STILL think that all of this is Unspoken's idea that he is solely enforcing and cowing people into going along with.

Even after I've already said he is FAR from the only one who came up with this bit. Somehow, people missed that. Pretty sure I put it in all caps with a picture of some thumbs, too.

All of this is still in its infancy. Realize that calling a meeting isn't the final step in a process, it just gets everyone up to the same step as everyone else... which is like step 1 at the moment.

Unspoken said "This is what I want... Warbrand, I'm gonna put you on the spot and ask what you think".

Me (Paraphrased): "I gotta tell ya... I don't think it's a good idea the way it is, it excludes too many folks, it needs to be rethought and revisited"

Gunr: "Yeah, I think so, too. we need games of various tiers that work on various machines"

Me: "Sounds good, but how do we label that? How do we know what is a high end game and what's low? Who judges? Do we have anyone in the clan that is able to read the system reqs, and sum them all up for a given game as "High" or "Mid"?

As you can see, THERE IS A LOT MORE WORK TO DO.

However, it needs to be done. We CANNOT simply sit and all face away from each other. God forbid we stone to death the first person that says "hey guys, maybe we should get out of the sun? It's kind of fuckin' bright here...".

I got the clan doing clan wars that we haven't done in forever, and also communicating with other members

Fantastic! Bravo goddamn Zulu! Seriously, I mean that! Great job! We NEED to motivate our players to be active in...

...something.

That is ALL Unspoken wanted to do... but the idea was still kind of fresh. We all feel it, things are pretty stale, and we needed something to shake things up. Going BACK to Begone isn't on everyone's to-do list, but I agree that NONE of the games mentioned at the meeting would work on a lower end machine.

I feel for you guys, I really do, and I know you feel that your options are limited, but they're not. In fifteen minutes, I showed Shep more games that would run on his machine than he can finish in a year.

I myself am a steam player, and i play tons of games there with lots of buddies that I have. I will love to invite them to the forums and introduce them to you guys, but they would not like the idea of SSNC being a 1 game clan. They love their share of games as much as we do.

That's fantastic, but this was never about adding people just for the sake of numbers. If you feel they would be a great fit, and would love to hang out and laugh on Dolby, great.

This is just something of my say in it, I'm sorry if it made no sense, I tried. I'm only 15 and English wasn't my first language, so yeah.

Oh, no, you made perfect sense. You just made it clear that you didn't have the whole picture, and were reacting to something that you thought was happening based on what you heard during the meeting and what people were saying afterward.

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PostSubject: Re: Adios   Sun Jun 07, 2015 10:42 am

Are older members upset that begone crew is still more active than any other game we play as a group? Begone is a lot different now than a year ago when we left so why don't we bring some focus back onto begone? Yes it still isn't a great game, and some of the older members have their gossip and stuff, but some others also still enjoy it. So as one of my SUGGESTIONS I wouldn't mind seeing begone as maybe the key "low" range game that we play as a group , with something like BLR or CW or Defiance as our high end. (Back when I played begone I had 15-20 fps in it, 5 in CW so for me it is high end)
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PostSubject: Re: Adios   Sun Jun 07, 2015 12:28 pm

RadlyGnarly wrote:
Are older members upset that begone crew is still more active than any other game we play as a group? Begone is a lot different now than a year ago when we left so why don't we bring some focus back onto begone? Yes it still isn't a great game, and some of the older members have their gossip and stuff, but some others also still enjoy it. So as one of my SUGGESTIONS I wouldn't mind seeing begone as maybe the key "low" range game that we play as a group , with something like BLR or CW or Defiance as our high end. (Back when I played begone I had 15-20 fps in it, 5 in CW so for me it is high end)

This was pretty much my recommendation as well, instead of focusing on ONE game, narrow our focus down to a few, from the "every person has their own game" mentality that we have now.

Are older members upset that begone is active? No, of course not. What has us upset is when people refuse to have all of the information on here, get bent because people "wont listen to them", then go talk shit about the people who are TRYING TO GIVE THEM THE INFO on RaidCall.

THAT tends to get under MY skin at any rate.

There is a ton of drama being associated with Begone, and that was why *I* never picked it up, not because it's a "bad" game or whatever. I imagine it can't be any worse than Contract Wars or any other browser-based Dolby shooter.

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